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steve

I thought the story of the Iraqi who was imprisoned and tortured in AG under Saddam for distributing anti-Saddam leaflets and then reimprisoned by the US by the US and tortured in AG was even more interesting was even more relevant. Interviewed on NPR recently, back in the United States, and able to only speak a little while recovering from the trauma stated that the difference between Saddam and the US was clear in his book [and he hated Saddam keep in mind], 1) Saddam's guards tortured him, but didn't take off his pants or force him to engage in sexual acts and 2) he knew why he was arrested under Saddam, he had no idea why the Americans arrested or tortured a former opponent of Saddam who responded to American calls for uprising by distributing antisaddam leaflets.

steve

one other story, relayed by a reporter who has sent dispatches to The Nation recently:

"Men, women and crying children congregated at this dire patch of barren earth, expressing bewilderment and outrage at their continuing inability to visit or gain information about loved ones held inside.

Sitting on the hard packed dirt in his white dishdasha, his head scarf languidly flapping in the dry, hot wind, Lilu Hammed stared at the high walls of the nearby prison. It was as if he was attempting to see his 32 year-old son Abbas through the tan concrete.

He sat alone, his tired eyes unwaveringly gazing upon the heavily guarded Abu Ghraib. When my interpreter Abu Talat asked him if he would speak with us, several seconds passed before Lilu slowly turned his head to look up at us.

“I am sitting here on the ground now, waiting for God’s help.”

His son had been in Abu Ghraib for 6 months following a raid on his home which produced no weapons. He had never been charged with anything. Lilu held a crumpled visitation permission slip in his hand that he had just obtained which allows for a reunion with his son ... on the 18th of August.

Lilu, along with every other person I interviewed there, had found consolation neither in the recent court martial or the recent release of a few hundred prisoners."
http://blog.newstandardnews.net/iraqdispatches/archives/000431.html#more

lefty redux

Gosh, I like Roger Morris' biography of the young Nixon, but the diplomats who resign at his suggestion might come home without assured work and medical care. Then they could encounter Bush-Nixon types who would blackball them when they seek new positions. Morris should know: his book shows vividly how the young Nixon learned to destroy his "enemies."

steve

Does the book have any comments on how they learned to play vicitm when criticised by their detractors? that they could both pummel those who attacked them and at the same time claim victimhood when criticised, it's a rare art form hard to come by.

rosedog

If anyone missed Gen. Anthony Zinni just now on "60 Minutes" (perhaps because they were busy watching the Timberwolves kick the Lakers' butts instead), please don't miss reading the transcript: http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/05/21/60minutes/main618896.shtml

Among the money quotes: "In the lead up to the Iraq war and its later conduct, I saw at a minimum, true dereliction, negligence and irresponsibility, at worse, lying, incompetence and corruption."

steve

Get ready for massive slam jobs on the warlovers' blogs tomorrow. They'll have us believing Zinni is worse than Ussam and Sodom Hoosein all in one! I wonder who'll be the first one to pin the troops' 800 deaths and thousands of serious injuries on Zinni?

Mork

Steve - unfortunately, this is one case where your paranoia and inclination to attribute evil motives to your opponents may result in a factually accurate prediction!

steve

nfortunately, this is one case where your paranoia and inclination to attribute evil motives to your opponents may result in a factually accurate prediction!

--paranoia? any examples of that, or is that just a charge made without any apparent reference?
I don't recall writing 'paranoid' comments here.
But it will be interesting to see how the war bloggers attack Zinni's patriotism, credibility, etc.

tim

could this steve person possibly not take up three-quarters of the space on this website?

topo gigio

So what's the point, Marchetto? As my Italian friends would say, "hai inventato l'acqua calda" -- if you catch-a my drift-a. Saddam and his Gomorrhites were sadistic human rights violators? Well, I'm shawcked!

You want torture? Anyone can log on to Amnesty's site. Or does the outrage become real only when some journalist is tangentially affected by it?

Following the Nixon train a thought, let's make one thing perfectly clear. Saddam and his Gomorrhoid fiends at least professed and practiced their fascist ideas; the US and its poodles deliberatly violate the fundamental principles of that civilization which they claim it is their mission to bring to the rest of the world.

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