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Ray Gun

There's a big brush fire dangerously close to Reagan's Ranch in Santa Barbara. I wonder if Gods trying to burn his place down. I wish God wouldn't send mixed messages. I'm gonna have to take a trip to Yorba Linda to figure all this out.

steve

just a short bit from Paul Krugman's fine column yesterday, the remainder is worth reading too:

ver the course of this week we'll be hearing a lot about Ronald Reagan, much of it false. A number of news sources have already proclaimed Mr. Reagan the most popular president of modern times. In fact, though Mr. Reagan was very popular in 1984 and 1985, he spent the latter part of his presidency under the shadow of the Iran-Contra scandal. Bill Clinton had a slightly higher average Gallup approval rating, and a much higher rating during his last two years in office.

We're also sure to hear that Mr. Reagan presided over an unmatched economic boom. Again, not true: the economy grew slightly faster under President Clinton, and, according to Congressional Budget Office estimates, the after-tax income of a typical family, adjusted for inflation, rose more than twice as much from 1992 to 2000 as it did from 1980 to 1988.

But Ronald Reagan does hold a special place in the annals of tax policy, and not just as the patron saint of tax cuts. To his credit, he was more pragmatic and responsible than that; he followed his huge 1981 tax cut with two large tax increases. In fact, no peacetime president has raised taxes so much on so many people.

http://makeashorterlink.com/?D3DB12388

Louis

Great link Steve, but I thought you hated Paul Krugman. Since he took Enron money.

Susan Wilson

Marc -- Nattering Nabobs whoring for the Prez you say?....gee why do I agree!

Your goin fishin till it's over, well as I said last night in the other article/thread, because I live in the Desert I cannot go fishing... I am just "unplugged electronicaly till at least this Friday"......content to listen to Miles.

Waiting till next week when there is some other news - vis a vis Reagan NOT -- to post some cogent thoughts... though today JayLo is pregnant and married, but that is not my type of insanity, I truly prefer political insanity...oh wait maybe this Reagan thingie this week is akin to the JayLo bit...yeah of course it is...in terms of all kinds of hype, babble...what we should all care about...


Susan Wilson

Steve...yes, yes in terms of Reaganomics...volumes written over the years on his "silt/sluge/downhill run".......the phrase of course that we all know..."Voodoo Economics"....

Of equal importance to me as a live LA native was Reagans tenancy as our Gov for two terms, and how he destroyed our Schools and Medical Systems........sigh....

Forgive my lack of patience to remotely address those thoughts -- I am so dam bored and so dam old that I figure this...let the young beware and informed from history, or let them and whomever stew in their ignorant sauce if they have no historical reality/reference...

And for sure I admire anyone younger than I am who is not sick to death from years of posting/writing about all of these issues, as I am beyond belief...I handily pass the torch as one tiny individual...and hope others with no real knowledge are listening to you and others...

On a personal aside, it appears if I am correct you are jazz junkie as half of my family is...yes?...will not speak music here for real as this is this the wrong blog...but yes?

Tom Grey

Sorry Susan, it was LBJ and the Great Society failure that destroyed the schools (with a good amount of women's lib -- better jobs for good women than merely teachers).

The Great Society failed idea is this: for every problem in YOUR life, a) it's SOMEBODY else's fault, and b) the Gov't can solve it.

The schools are destroyed because 1) the students don't learn, and 2) the students don't behave.

Letting parents choose which schools to send their kids, among many choices, should be the obvious solution. Taking choice away from parents means the parents have little or no incentive to improve. Vouchers!

Susan Wilson

Hey Tom...

Let me give you some leeway in terms of your answer to me...are we sure we are on the same page here?.......

I was talking about Reagan as Gov of Calif and you did a seque into LBJ which is National vs Regional...meaning my post about California got lost...I was being totally specific to my State and alluding to Reagan in those times and funding for California and the consequences that followed.

Are you speaking to me from a historical frame of reference that you have based your beliefs on from reading or from being old enough to have lived through those times...and I am asking that to you because you made your statement so clearly to me that I felt you had more reason than you stated and had a personal agenda that you experienced because of LBJ...

.......and perhaps more clearly overall are wanting to state your opinion about school vouchers...an entirely separate and larger issue than my blurb...if so...go for it...set it out more clearly to me, perhaps your experience because of your own children made you post what you said...

btw...your feelings overall are in the mainstream as you know full well and have been discussed over and over again...but I am willing to have a dialoque with you about it...just surprised that your post came up that was a true seque from what I was trying to say about Reagan and those times in California....

steve

but I thought you hated Paul Krugman. Since he took Enron money.

--hate is boring. krugman's a neoliberal economist with whom I'd disagree on quite a bit. On Bush he's right on the money though.
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Susan asked:
On a personal aside, it appears if I am correct you are jazz junkie as half of my family is...yes?...will not speak music here for real as this is this the wrong blog...but yes?

--you betcha. i wasn't kidding at all, i listened to branford Marsalis after turning off neal conan's fawning rewrite of reagan's presidency...never turned the radio on the rest of the day, except to listen to kbem, mpls' great jazz station.

Susan

Steve.........OK!!! thought so...lived in New Orleans for 5 years, in fact am going back the start of August, as I am now in Vegas, but moving back to New Orleans, just yesterday bought a new house there, and there is where my heart is for many reasons....looooong way to say...I saw almost the entire Marsalis over the years there...what a family, not a single person in their family is without "giant talent!"......

To address the Reagan issue once again...agh!...me too in my honest avoidance of it this entire week till Friday...not a joke with me...it would make ill, I had enough after the first 24 hours of his death...just chilling till this coming Saturday.

Be good now, talk atcha tomorrow, going to crash, had no sleep now for 2 days at all because of the house thing, offers, counter offers and the usual...so we got the house for what we wanted and now I can drop dead for at least 12 hours max...maybe, as I am hyper...smiling.....ps...Marc is a jazz junkie too!

wil

Catch a big one!

But, c'mon Marc - you saw Slate's universal panning of Reagan. And don't blogs count as electronic media?

Marc Cooper

Wil.. good question. But NO. By electronic media I mean broadcast media, specifically TV. Web sites are text-based and are in fact print journalism tyhat has been digitalized. Web blogs rely on words. TV on images. A world of difference.

Clare Quilty

Darkness at Noonan, or
A Thousand Points of Fright.

steve

Max Sawicky has a good post on Robert Pollin's dissecting the myth of great economic performance under Reagan:

http://maxspeak.org/mt/archives/000539.html

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