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Tuesday, May 11, 2004

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Mork

Goerge Will also (gently) indicated that he thought Rumsfield should resign in his WaPo column today.

I can't get too fussed about whether Rumsfield falls on his sword. If accountability meant anything to them, the whole pack of incompetent bastards would have resigned by now. One scapegoat this late in the piece doesn't make much difference now.

poe

Christ, does anyone read your leftwing shit?

I only got here by accident.

Marc Cooper

I will pass your comments on to the Amry Times...Ha!

Mork

William F. Buckley also (gently) suggests that Rumsfield should resign in his new NRO column.

Dennis Perrin

Will & Buckley are part of an older (I hate to use this next word for such reactionary statists) conservative generation, where there was, even with the Goldwaterites, a sense of bipartisanship -- if we must, as part of this Great Game, we give up one of ours in order to justify what we do. Don't get that vibe from W's crowd.

Crid

At least Rummy still has Sen Feinstein in his corner:

> WASHINGTON -- California Sen. Dianne
> Feinstein said Tuesday she will not join
> the growing chorus of Democrats who are
> demanding that Defense Secretary Donald
> Rumsfeld resign over the Iraqi prisoner
> abuse scandal... "We need to look at
> what the command structure was,"
> Feinstein said, adding that Rumsfeld's
> dismissal is "not going to solve the
> problem."

http://www.dailynews.com/Stories/0,1413,200%257E20954%257E2142300,00.html

William Meisheid

We seem to believe there are an unlimited number of competant individuals who can just step in and take over, hence can Rumsfeld, et al. That is wishful thinking at best and suicidal at worst. The history of war has shown that good leadership is rare and it is not whether or not a leader is wrong but how he deals with subsequent issues that is telling. So only someone who is suicidal goes around like the Queen of Hearts yelling off with their heads.

The real issue here is lack of good midlevel commanders who were the point people in this problem. There are too many people who were able to stay out of trouble over the last 12 years by kissing butt and keeing their heads down in order to remain in the officer core and advance. Now when tested they have proved worst than wanting. The regular army and the reserve has become a joke and it was the politicians who made it so.

steve

There are too many people who were able to stay out of trouble over the last 12 years by kissing butt and keeing their heads down in order to remain in the officer core and advance.

--odd, you weren't declaring this after your great 'victory' over that dangerous and powerful foe the Taliban. Only now we find out that the military was sabotaged for the past '12 years'. interesting. or maybe a macho man is just getting a bloody nose in a battle with a much weaker opponent and is desparate for excuses?

William Meisheid

Steve - I am not the strawman "you" and I reject your strawman argument. If you hoenstly examined the situation you would realize that Afghanistan was primarily special forces and Marines, not army except for some work by the 101st Airborne while Iraq is filled with regular army and reserves.

Your "macho man" snide remark says more about you than what you deride. And as to just finding out, it has been argued for some time that the regular army and reserves were not well trained or well led and this is the first opportunity to have it demonstrated to anyone willing to look.

If you hoenstly examined the situation you would realize that Afghanistan was primarily special forces and Marines, not army except for some work by the 101st Airborne while Iraq is filled with regular army and reserves.

--thanks for the lesson in warrior classification.
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And as to just finding out, it has been argued for some time that the regular army and reserves were not well trained or well led and this is the first opportunity to have it demonstrated to anyone willing to look.

--well, if we were not bogged down by pointless adventures, there'd be plenty enough to not only go around, but even make cuts in the bloated defense budgets. but, gotta plan for those 3 'necessary' nuclear wars that could occur at anytime anyplace against any 'enemy'.

ThomasD

Thoughts

1. Since when did the opinions of Army Times matter? Oh sure it might be newsworthy in the man bites dog sense were it not for -

2. It is well known that a large swath of the military has had it in for Rumsfeld since he took office.

rosedog

Among Rumsfeld's other failures of leadership, there is his unwillingness to remove right wing religious ideologue, Lt. Gen. William Boykin from his position as head of military intelligence, despite last year's award-winning moments in bad judgment when Boykin gave a series of speeches (in uniform) referring to the war on terrorism in religious terms. Just to refresh memories, it was Boykin who said America was fighting the war on terrorism because "we're a Christian nation, and the enemy is a guy named Satan." He also said that while fighting a Muslim warlord in Somalia, he "knew that my god was a real god and his was an idol." Months ago, even Rep. Sen. Warner asked Boykin to step aside. Then, in Senate testimony yesterday, it was stated that Boykin "briefed a top Pentagon civilian official last summer on ways military interrogators could gain more intelligence from Iraqi prisoners." According to one former military intelligence official those recommendations "amounted to a senior-level go-ahead for the sexual and physical abuse of prisoners." Whether or not this last turns out to be true, the demonization of an entire religion by, among others, the top figure in American military intelligence is one element that swung open the door to abuse wide open.

As Drudge would say…..DEVELOPING…..

Michael Turner

The link to the story on Feinstein's reaction to the call for Rummy's head doesn't seem to work, so I'll make some guesses without context. Feinstein might simply be sounding even-handed and sensible here not because she doesn't want Rummy's head on a platter, but because she wants it in the right way: from investigations that lead up to him.

Rummy falling on his sword symbolically might satisfy bloodlust, and take the edge off pursuit of the culpable. Any such honor-suicide probably would be quite symbolic - so long as he can be reached by phone, he can still be smack in the middle of OSD decision-making for all practical purposes. In some ways, it might even free him up for efforts that can't be undertaken under the glare of public service publicity klieg lights.

Perhaps I'm jaded from my many years in Japan, where the high profile corporate chieftain is positioned to take the fall whenever a scandal brews, the better to spare the people just one layer down in the management hierarchy. And where the most coveted position of power is not Prime Minister, but ex-Prime Minister.

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