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Monday, July 25, 2005

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Jay Byrd

> Jay Byrd: "It is widely felt among rank and file Dem activists -- the sorts of people who hire baby sitters so they can come to Democracy for America meetups, or just bring their kids -- that Hillary in '08 would be a disaster."

> http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-dlc26jul26,0,1878987.story?coll=la-home-headlines -It's not often you get to be proven wrong so quickly.

Huh? I was referring to Dem activists -- the kind of folks who attend meetups, the kind of folks who DESPISE THE DLC. So how exactly does the DLC picking Hillary prove me wrong? Perhaps you make the same mistake as Marc and fail to make any distinctions among "the Democrats".

Jay Byrd

Mavis, if you're still around, take a look at this: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/7/26/269/35286

Please remember that I was talking about Democratic *activists*, the kind of people who hire babysitters to go to meetups or bring their kids because they can't afford one, stuff envelopes, walk precincts during elections, stuff like that, not the multimillionaire "moderates" who run the DLC. I understand that you and Marc don't have the faintest idea who these people are, but that's a good reason to try to find out.

Mavis Beacon

I accept your distinction. So Daily Kos doesn't like the DLC. Neither do I. What else is new? That post has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton. You've built yourself a premise that is difficult to argue with. Let's just wait and see if Hillary gains traction. If she does, it shows the true impotence of "Democratic Activists" and suggests they should get themselves a new political party (either that or you were wrong about the monolithic distrust of Hillary Clinton).

Jay Byrd

"So Daily Kos doesn't like the DLC. Neither do I. What else is new? That post has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton. You've built yourself a premise that is difficult to argue with."

Excuse me? It was *your* claim that the DLC selecting Hillary shows that I was wrong about Dem activists. It clearly shows no such thing.

Jay Byrd

"If she does, it shows the true impotence of "Democratic Activists" and suggests they should get themselves a new political party"

Yeah, right, they should join the Reform Party. Or the Citizen's Party. I find it just astounding folks like you and Marc have so little understanding of political dynamics and structures. Yes, the Dem activists are powerless, and no, they can't fix that by getting themselves a new party. But it's easy to blame them for their failures, while not being able to do any better yourselves.

"(either that or you were wrong about the monolithic distrust of Hillary Clinton)"

I didn't say anything about "monolithic distrust". Dem activists are a relatively *small* group; they aren't a "monolith". They remain a relatively small group because they lack power. And power is the means to more power. Life's not fair, y'know.

Virgil Johnson

I swear, you guys major in flicking ticks off the back of a hairy mad wart hog, as it eats out your sustenance! How sad. Minor adjustments for major problems....makes you want to quit trying. Incredible...

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