Catching up on some of my reading I came across another good
piece written last weekend by British journo Nick
Cohen, a worthy exponent of the pro-war Left. Cohen can ably argue for himself
so I am not going to recap the piece – you can read it through the above link.
One graf that jumped out at me was one in which Cohen refers to a verbal attack launched against him by his long time friend and former New Statesman editor, Peter Wilby. Wilby had berated Cohen for what he called a “rightwards lurch” i.e. Cohen’s decision to support the war in Iraq. Cohen expresses his dismay at how some on the Left simply refuse to accept a disagreement as a simple…uh…disagreement or a clash of principles.
It doesn’t matter, it seems, that Cohen supports the war because he actually believes it is consistent with his liberal views on human rights; no. must just must be some sort of a right-winger. Too often the instinct on the Left is to discredit and dishonor your antagonist by suggesting there is something more sinister in play. Says Cohen:
The least attractive characteristic of the middle-class left - one shared with the Thatcherites - is its refusal to accept that its opponents are sincere. The legacy of Marx and Freud allows it to dismiss criticisms as masks which hide corruption, class interests, racism, sexism - any motive can be implied except fundamental differences of principle. Wilby went through a long list of what could have motivated mine and similar 'betrayals'.
It’s an excellent point that Cohen makes, one that can be illustrated in a number of ways.
We need go no further than an “article” (of sorts) currently posted on the new web log of Monthly Review – a small theoretical journal of the American hard left. For devotees of my blog, you’ll be amused, I think, to learn that the author of the piece is none other than Steve Philion, a serial commenter (“steve”) who some months ago earned his excommunication from this site.
In his post, Philion is –rather awkwardly—trying to argue that the failure of the U.S. occupation in Iraq was more or less inevitable. But he can’t resist preambling his piece with an allusion that suggests that yours truly and Joe Lieberman are both of the same mind when it comes to the war. Says Philion in his opening graf:
It would be a mistake to say that it was inevitable that the US would fail in its putative mission of "liberating" Iraq or transforming it into a viable democracy, for that would be deterministic. It would not be incorrect to state that it was practically inevitable, however. And why that is so tells us much about the faulty logic of the position that the invasion was "done wrong" and could be "done better." The position is one embraced by people as seemingly ideologically apart as Joseph Lieberman and Nation contributor Marc Cooper; therefore, it needs to be dealt with if we are to get at why the occupation cannot be done "better," given the US goals in Iraq -- goals shared by Republicans and Democrats alike.
This, of course, is precisely the sort of deliberate and intellectually dishonest smear that Nick Cohen was referring to. Lieberman and Cooper only “seemingly” disagree. In reality, I must be some sort of DLC agent or perhaps a closet Bush sympathizer. Philion just can’t accept that I, as an early and continuing opponent of the war, would nevertheless wish to see the best outcome of this unnecessary war for the Iraqi people. But nope! I, along with Holy Joe, am just one more blind shill for Bush and Bremer.
More sophisticated minds, fortunately, can readily accept that some of their opponents can be quite principled; that they are neither nuts nor mercenaries nor turncoats. They are just other people acting on their own principles. Look at Michael Kazin’s review in Dissent magazine of Christopher Hitchens’ latest anthology to glimpse the way political debates should happen.
Kazin cleanly departs from Hitchens’ endorsement of the Bush policy in Iraq but tries, at the same time, to sympathetically understand from what set of principles, from what sort of world view Hitch’s position evolves. No name calling. No smearing. No wild accusations. Kazin, instead, concludes that Hitchens runs off the rails – not because he’s been bought by Wolfowitz—but rather because he has succumbed to his lifelong and romantic passion for the underdogs. Read all of Kazin’s review. Here’s but an excerpt in which Kazin criticizes Hitchens' stance on Iraq:
It’s the stance of a man whose passion outruns his reason. Hitchens knows there are many liberals and some radicals who cheered the fall of Saddam Hussein yet also cursed Bush and British prime minister Tony Blair for lying their way into Iraq and then doing more to cover their tracks than to rebuild that devastated nation. Such ambivalence is the main reason no mass antiwar movement exists today, despite widespread aversion to the administration’s conduct before and after the invasion.But the arrogance and brutality of empire are not repealed when they temporarily get deployed in a just cause.
What defines Hitchens’s great talent also limits his political understanding. It is thrilling to read and argue with a gifted writer who evinces no doubt about which side is right and which wrong and who can bring a wealth of learning and experience to the fray. We judge public intellectuals partly on their performance, and few can hold an audience as well as he.
Still, the most romantic position is not often the most intelligent one. It is unheroic but necessary to explain how the Bush administration threw Americans into a bloody morass and might now get them out. A lover of absolutes would label this task an act of bad faith; I would call it common sense. In a luminous recent essay about successive translations of Swann’s Way, Hitchens observed, “To be so perceptive and yet so innocent—that, in a phrase, is the achievement of Proust.”
The author might also have been speaking about himself, a self-made patriot who has added to his love of fearless rebels a fierce apology for the neoconservative crusade.
Kazin’s essay reminds us that politics should be
an exercise in critical thinking in which the subject learns to extract the
best from his or her opponents and adversaries. We learn nothing when turn
political debate into one more mindless spectator sport of cheering for your
“side” and booing the other.
Reg: " By any measure that was put forward as a rationale for the war, Iraq was clearly, at best, a mistake"
What a cowardly cop-out. What are YOUR measures, Reg?
Oh, I forgot -- you don't have any, since if you did you might be wrong, and Bush-haters can never be wrong; they keep changing the goalposts! Attack dog? check. Bush-hating sheep bleater: bad, baad, baaaaddd.
If you don't have the guts to say what your measures are, not those of Bush or Kerry or somebody else, YOURS, than YOU are an intellectual coward.
Marc, "I repeat, this is a by-product not a primary goal of the Bushies." You know Bush spoke of his primary goals in the SOTU early 2003. Freedom is in there. What is sad about the Left is the demonization of Bush to the extent of actually NOT SEEING the words he says, and publishes.
And the quote: " And as we and our coalition partners are doing in Afghanistan, we will bring to the Iraqi people food and medicines and supplies -- and freedom."
Yes, most of the Iraq stuff was about WMDs, and the NOT imminent threat but the plausible one of a state giving terrorists weapons.
By Bush's measure about Iraq giving terrorists WMDs, he looks pretty succesful. Terrorism has not, yet, increased in the US (though I think it will...) I'm not sure this is the right measure.
OTOH, "Not for any reason however beyond crass domestic political calculation." -- this is the strength of democracy. Even bozos like Bush or Clinton are willing to "do the right thing", if it means they get more votes. The problem is knowing what the right thing is.
Invading Iraq and creating a democracy is the right thing. It takes at least as long in Iraq as in Kosovo -- and the UN is still there, isn't it? Bush can NOT withdraw too many troops without having an "acceptable" Iraq democracy, because Reps lose.
Marc, if you read pro-war Michael Ledeen, you'll get more ammo against Bush's policy of too-fast "stability" through being too cozy with Saddamites.
I'm sorry you don't have a formula -- without one how can you be sure Bush's policy isn't best? wait for the Iraqi Constitution; then the new Iraqi gov't; then pull out some troops as the elected Shia take over.
How are the IRAQIS gonna handle the coup in Baghdad?
Posted by: | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 01:05 AM
Marc Cooper writes: ``It would be great to find a way to wind down the US involvement, somehow internationalize the tutelage of Iraq...''
Now we're getting somewhere! This, not who's more anti-anti-anti humanitarian ad nauseum, is a relevant line of discussion about Iraq.
Put another way: the topic most in need of debate and careful discussion is not whether to withdraw and acknowledge the morally and politically sadistic failures of this war, but, as MC points out, HOW to withdraw.
No one I've read or heard, right, left or center has advocated that the U.S. ``just simply hand the keys over to the carbombers, jihadists and regrouped Ba'athists who seem to thrive on blowing up their own people.'' MC's suggestion, however lighthanded, that that is anyone's position is a rather putrid red herring.
So how to "internationalize" the war?
1. Declare all contracts awarded to American companies on a no-bid basis void. And reopen a portion, say half, to bidding by any company and set aside 25 percent for Iraqi companies and the other 25 percent for Arab countries only. I'm not pretending to know anything at all about how these types of contracts are actually disbursed in a fair and open way, but I present this idea as a starting point for discussion, or really just to note that the oil money, such as it is, needs to be taken away from the friends of George W. Bush and redistributed in a strategically intelligent way.
2. Undertake the prosecution of Saddam Hussein and his regime's leaders under U.N. auspices.
3. Bring the investigation and prosecution of alleged abuses at Abu Ghraib, Bagram, Gitmo and other U.S. prisons under the International Criminal Court, or similar body.
That's a start. But none of this really matters, because we know that any serious exploration of how we got to where we are in Iraq leads inexorably to war crimes trials for Donald Rumsfeld and, ultimately, The Revenge-Fetishist Commander in Chief General Jesus George W. Bush himself.
The only realistic way out of Iraq is to remove the Bush-Cheney administration. Who knows...maybe the bottom for their approval poll numbers is a lot lower than we've seen so far. If thinks keep heading in the same direction: and why wouldn't they? Impeachment provides the long lost beginning of an exit strategy for Iraq.
Posted by: bunkerbuster | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 01:08 AM
"Yes, most of the Iraq stuff was about WMDs, and the NOT imminent threat but the plausible one of a state giving terrorists weapons."
Do you seriously believe that nonsense, Anon? If so, you are woefully ignorant on the subject.
Time to do a little reading. You'll find out that Saddam had no truck with terrorists, whatsoever. His security state ruthlessly rooted them out. One of the few bright spots of his dictatorial rule. Give weapons to terrorists? Get serious. Arming terrorists would have seriously put his secular rule at risk.
You could look it up.
Posted by: jim hitchcock | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 01:39 AM
You do have to wonder one thing, though...was Iraq seen as the real and ultimate target by itself, an end all and be all? Consider that Iraq may have been seen by the neocons as a convenient springboard for their ultimate goal to start the democracy domino theory a rollin' to the ultimate targets, Iran and eventually, Saudi Arabia. Iran, of course, IS a major source of funding for terrorists, and their influence in Saudi Arabia is growing steadily. But, of course, to get to Iran, ya gotta go through Iraq first...
You really have to admire the idealism, if not the ultimate rationality. Too damn bad the idiots behind this were spending so much energy trying to convince the gullible among us that Iraq was a `great and imminent threat' to us, rather than considering what would happen if we weren't, uh, greeted in the streets of Baghdad with flowers and open arms.
Posted by: jim hitchcock | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 02:03 AM
"The only realistic way out of Iraq is to remove the Bush-Cheney administration. Who knows...maybe the bottom for their approval poll numbers is a lot lower than we've seen so far. If thinks keep heading in the same direction: and why wouldn't they? Impeachment provides the long lost beginning of an exit strategy for Iraq."
Bunkerbuster, that just ain't realistic at all. Impeachment is just not going to happen. And you do remember what DID happen in Afghanistan after the Soviets were driven out, don't you? That's right, pal, the Taliban. Is that really what you want to see as the ultimate result of the folly of this war?
Posted by: jim hitchcock | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 02:08 AM
Jim Hitchcock is right. It is not realistic at all to hope for an impeachment. What I meant, though, is that it is unrealistic to expect success in Iraq without first removing the apparent war criminals. I did not mean to suggest that there is a realistic chance of actually doing that. But hey, what's more "unrealistic" than the fact that an inarticulate former drunk and failed businessman who doesn't read the newspaper is the president of the United States in the first place?
JH writes: ``And you do remember what DID happen in Afghanistan after the Soviets were driven out, don't you? That's right, pal, the Taliban. Is that really what you want to see as the ultimate result of the folly of this war?''
The outcome of Reagan/Bush's Afghanistan debacle was not just the Taliban. Rather, the jihadist movement as we know it, its financing, its leadership and its strategy were all catalyzed in the U.S.-funded war in Afghanistan. George Crile in ``Charlie Wilson's War,'' his account of the American support for the mujahideen in that war, argues that the victory there sent a powerful message to the fledging jihadists: they can kill giants, because Allah wants it that way. The jihadists have never looked back from that and that is why bin Laden is such a huge figure within the movement. He was among those who saw off the seemingly unstoppable Soviet army.
Yet a U.S. withdrawal from Iraq would take place in a completely different set of circumstances than the U.S. pullout from Afghanistan once the mujahideen had booted the Russians.
Firstly, Afghanistan lacks oil wealth, so there is not the pot of spoils to tempt international participation, as there is in Iraq. Secondly, the Iranians and Russians have far too much at stake in Iraq to stand by and let it descend into the kind of situation that gave rise to the Taliban. This is not to suggest the Russian or Iranian government would not seek to take advantage of any instability in Iraq, but rather that neither of those would see it in their interest to allow the level of instability that would be necessary to impose a Taliban-like regime on the relatively secularized population of Iraq.
As I pointed out previously, the war in Iraq is brought to you by the same ideologues with the same corporate sponsers and mostly the exact same media toadies that brought us the war in Afghanistan.
These ideologues and their corporate sponsers and media-owning enablers must be stopped. If they are not, how can we not expect more Afghanistans, more Iraqs, more Patriot Acts, more Fox News Channel propaganda circuses and more body bags secretly flown home with "little people" inside?
The moral blank check has been in the mail for far too long. A change of pace isn't going to get it, we need a change of direction...
Posted by: bunkerbuster | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 05:42 AM
"anon" - I laid out four measures quite explicitly. One was the success of the Iranian mullahs in creating a Shiite dominated Gulf - which is well on its way.
For more on "pro-war Michael Ledeen", an extreme neo-con ideologue - not to mention a piece of shit left over from the Iran/Contra scandal - read this. http://www.amconmag.com/06_30_03/feature.html
Ledeen is a crackpot, and a dangerous one.
Posted by: reg | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 10:13 AM
Marc - I think you might obsess on the "anti-war Left" a bit too much, at the expense of the anti-war sentiment that will actually drive the politics of this thing over the next year or so. I don't think that most of us who are "anti-war", obviously including yourself, think that Out Now is some magic bullet. But a phased withdrawal that forces the hand of the various Iraqi factions to take control of their own situation, politically and militarily, MIGHT isolate the foreign elements of the "insurgency" and draw the Sunni elements - or most of them - into some political bargaining that is tenable. A loosely federated Iraq seems to be in the cards, and probably is best given the British concoction that actually exists. I don't have a plan, and I doubt that the Bushniks are going to act in a way that facilitates the best outcome given their record, but prolonged occupation seems like it's at least one major ingredient in prolonging the infiltration of foreign crazies and giving them a rationale for their terror. In that insight, the "anti-war Left" has a point, if not a plan for dealing with it responsibly.
I think that at this juncture most anti-war Americans want to see something at least half-decent pulled out of the fire by using our role their strategically even as we plan to phase it out - even if it's simply the rough "self-determination" of a large Shiite state that's Islamic becoming the primary entity. Frankly, given the history and demographics of the region, that's probably an inevitable stage that the next generation of Iraqi liberals and rebels and radicals and feminists are simply going to have to take on by their own best lights. In a loose Iraqi federation people we'd identify with politically will have a better chance - be they Sunni, Shia or Kurdish ethnicity - than they did under Saddam. The vitality - under duress - of the reform movement in Iran, which has damned good prospects over the long term in my impression at least, is evidence of that. General Abizad - who's pragmatism will hopefully drive the next phase, with the civilian ideologues locked in the trunk - can't pull something out of his hat to hand to the Iraqis that doesn't have a social basis that's more legitimate on Iraqi turf than the U.S. military.
Posted by: reg | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 10:36 AM
PS to anon - I guess I could go in a snit and call you an intellectual coward also, but there's nothing "intellectual" discernible in your silly rant and I don't want to unfairly impugn as cowardice mere incoherence.
Posted by: reg | Friday, August 12, 2005 at 12:01 PM
I found this article in the Monthly review, before the war in Iraq...Marxist were more honest than the pro-war types...go figure!
BEHIND THE INVASION OF IRAQ
by The Research Unit for Political Economy
December 2002
The justifications US imperialism is advancing for the impending assault on Iraq are absurd, often contradictory. Unlike in the case of the 1991 Gulf War or the 2001 bombing and invasion of Afghanistan, this time the US lacks even the fig-leaf of an excuse for its aggression. The major American and British media corporations have once again come forward as footsoldiers in the campaign.
[...]
Although some voices of caution were sounded at first among senior strategic experts and political figures in the US, there now appears to be broad consensus among the US ruling classes regarding this extraordinary adventurism and unilateral aggression. The manner in which the US President was able to ram through Congress his demand for sweeping and open-ended war powers makes clear that the corporate sector as a whole (not only the oil companies) is vitally interested in the war. It is significant that despite recession and economic uncertainty, despite deepening budget and balance of payments deficits, the US is willing to foot the bill for a massive, open-ended military operation. Evidently US corporations believe the potential reward will justify the war; or that the failure to go to war will have grave consequences for them.
It is more or less publicly acknowledged that the immediate reward is a massive oil grab, of a scale not witnessed since the days of colonialism. Caspian prospects pale in comparison with Iraqi oil wealth. Iraq has the world's second largest reserves (at present 115 billion barrels, but long-delayed exploration may take that figure to 220-250 billion barrels). Moreover, its oil is, along with that of Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Iran, by far the cheapest to extract. The US is quite openly offering the French and Russians, who have giant contracts with the present regime that cannot be realised under sanctions, slices of the post-invasion cake in exchange for their approval in the Security Council.
From:
http://www.monthlyreview.org/btioixcerpt.htm
or
http://www.rupe-india.org/34/pillar.html
Posted by: NeoDude | Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 01:11 AM
Didn't millions of Roman Catholics and Lutherans admire Hitler? I mean, it wasn't just folks in the ME who lifted him to power.
Posted by: NeoDude | Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 01:50 AM
someone wrote: In 1994, the Rwanda choice was war or accept genocide -- Clinton, faced with a hostile Rep Congress, preferred genocide acceptance to asking for war.
Fact-check time. The Rwandan genocide occured in the Spring of 1994. The Republicans won the congress in the fall of 1994. Clinton was faced with a "friendly Dem congress", not a "hostile Rep" one.
Posted by: jsr | Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 07:58 AM
Taylor,
Just read your comment. Let me call your attention to Paul Wolfowitz's comments in an interview in Vanity Fair (the transcript can be found here:
http://www.defenselink.mil/transcripts/2003/tr20030509-depsecdef0223.html
"Wolfowitz: No, I think it happens to be correct. The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason, but -- hold on one second --
(Pause)
"Kellems: Sam there may be some value in clarity on the point that it may take years to get post-Saddam Iraq right. It can be easily misconstrued, especially when it comes to --
"Wolfowitz: -- there have always been three fundamental concerns. One is weapons of mass destruction, the second is support for terrorism, the third is the criminal treatment of the Iraqi people. Actually I guess you could say there's a fourth overriding one which is the connection between the first two. Sorry, hold on again.
"Kellems: By the way, it's probably the longest uninterrupted phone conversation I've witnessed, so --
"Q: This is extraordinary.
"Kellems: You had good timing.
"Q: I'm really grateful.
"Wolfowitz: To wrap it up.
The third one by itself, as I think I said earlier, is a reason to help the Iraqis BUT IT'S NOT A REASON TO PUT AMERICAN KID'S LIVES AT RISK, CERTAINLY NOT ON THE SCALE WE DID IT. That second issue about links to terrorism is the one about which there's the most disagreement within the bureaucracy, even though I think everyone agrees that we killed 100 or so of an al Qaeda group in northern Iraq in this recent go-around, that we've arrested that al Qaeda guy in Baghdad who was connected to this guy Zarqawi whom Powell spoke about in his UN presentation." [MY EMPHASIS]
That's the #2 man at the Pentagon making that statement. It's post-facto ass-covering, period.
Posted by: Randy Paul | Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 08:11 AM
"IT'S NOT A REASON TO PUT AMERICAN KID'S LIVES AT RISK, CERTAINLY NOT ON THE SCALE WE DID IT."
Cindy Sheehan seems to be channeling Paul Wolfowitz, of all people. Perhaps Mr. Wolfowitz needs a good "outing" by Michell Malkin and Bill O'Reilly for espousing views that serve Michael "Mephistopholies" Moore and all the rest of the "Hate America" crowd.
Posted by: reg | Saturday, August 13, 2005 at 11:56 AM
" I just as much disagree with the anti-war left's professed "fuck you" attitude toward the Iraqi people. "
This must be another example of Marc's attacking a strawman? What leftists have been saying 'fuck you' to Iraqi people? The unions calling for withdrawl? Chomsky? David Bacon? What a bizarre way to characterize the left's attitude. I always read people like Klein et al talking about the need for reparations for war damage, etc. This is isolationist 'fuck you'? Hardly.
"But imposing a privatization model on Iraq is something very different than suggesting that was actually the motivation for war. That is simply preposterous as it makes no economic sense from "their" perspective."
Indeed, and btw my MR piece certainly wasn't asserting that the invasion was for the purpose of privatizing Iraq alone. The privatization campaign [something Repubs and Dems are united in support of] reveals plenty about the futility of looking for a 'right' way to do the occupation however. The occupation and Iraq policy generally, before and after the invasion, was part of a broader corporate globalization policy of compelling 'closed' economies to submit to the neo-liberal regimen. To say that does not mean that privatization of Iraq's resources is or was the *only* reason for invasion or occupation.
Posted by: steve | Sunday, August 14, 2005 at 05:44 PM
I don't think there are many car thieves who would claim to steal cars for their oil...but if there is no oil in the car, it is less likely to be stolen.
The oil is needed...even if the thieves are doing it for the parts.
Posted by: NeoDude | Monday, August 15, 2005 at 07:53 AM
oil, as Noam Chomsky is certainly part of the motivation, but also not the only one. Ellen Wood's critique of the 'new imperialism' is perhaps even more to the point, weapons must get used and they serve a wonderful demonstration effect to nation-states that don't conform to US neo-liberal expectations...
http://www.monthlyreview.org/699wood.htm
Posted by: steve | Monday, August 15, 2005 at 09:32 AM
Oil is undeniably the catalyst for this war. Ask yourself: if Iraq had no oil, would the U.S. military EVER have been involved in anything there?
Having said that, this doesn't mean I agree that the Iraq War was fought solely for Halliburton's sake. The point is more nuanced: Gulf War I was fought to soothe the fear that someone less pliable than the Kuwaiti monarchy would control the area's oil resources. Gulf War I led inextricably to the Iraq War.
Posted by: bunkerbuster | Tuesday, August 16, 2005 at 07:12 AM
nicely put Bunker. It's kind of funny, btw, how Chomsky is one of the most excoriated members of the antiwar movement intellectuals, yet he is one of the first to *not* say that it's 'all about oil'. So much for misinformed stereotypes of the antiwar movement.
Posted by: steve | Wednesday, August 17, 2005 at 10:32 AM
Some belated comments, but as long as your self-pitying here is still posted,
why not?
"I, along with Holy Joe, am just one more blind shill for Bush and Bremer..."
That sums it up rather nicely, though your eyesight is clear enough to type
manipulative bullshit into your Bush-Bremer supprted propaganda bog.
But I do know that you didn't kill Allendé, so I'm not one of the straw loons
youe excoriate at every turn, as if anyone actually accused you of this particular
crime - an American pulled the trigger, though. That WAS an American "war,"
wasn't it? Do you offer a left-wing apologia for that one, too?
You cry over penguins? Do you cry for the children of Iraq wasted
by incendiary bombs, white phosphorus and depleted uranium? Tell the
truth. Have you ever shed a tear for the dead in Iraq? If they were penguins,
you might find a reason to denounce Hithcens - another shill for Bush and
Bremer, no doubt. The CIA's "Cultural Cold War" continues apace, and the
names Hitchens and Couper will figure prominently in the follow-up tome.
- Alex Constantine
Posted by: Alex Constantine | Sunday, March 26, 2006 at 11:57 AM